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EARLY EPISODE: The Troubles Part 2

Tom continues to take Joe through the history of the Troubles.  In this episode we cover the famine, independence, the Anglo-Irish Treaty, partition, and more! 

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I’m an old man. 51 in fact, but still remember as a young RC boy hearing the stories in the 70’s of ordinary folk escaping the bloodshed of the troubles. Listening to pod and hearing the names brought it all back. That’s what I remember of it all. The injustice. My heart aches for them all. RC or Proddie. This pod series ought to be taught in schools. Thank you for the sensitivity and accuracy of your telling.

Malcolm Crombie

When Portugal evacuated Mozambique in 1975 they so completely hollowed out the bureaucracy that there weren't even desks in schools. Meanwhile they had trained not an African one to administer their own territory, which helped cause the internal conditions which lead to the civil war (of course, that says nothing of the way that Rhodesia was using it as a tool for self preservation )

Jordan Y Clementi

Check out this video of him giving a talk on the anniversary of the Irish revolution: https://youtu.be/ZCfuonam-qI

Josh Karpoff

A long time friend and comrade of mine, Shaun Harkin, is a socialist from Derry who was a Teamsters member during the 1997 UPS Strike, an antiwar activist and immigrant rights activist for a bunch of years here in the US. A couple of years ago he moved back and is now an elected city council member in the People Before Profit Party (a cross border anti sectarian socialist party dedicated to a unified Ireland). Eamonn McCann was also an elected rep for the same area on the PBP line. Both have been endorsed by Bernadette Devlin McAlisky. Shaun is also the editor of the book "The James Connolly Reader" a collection of writings by legendary Irish socialist and Easter Rising Martyr, James Connolly. For several years, he bartender in NYC at a bar owned by a former member of the Weather Underground. You should get Shaun on "33rd County" sometime.

Josh Karpoff

my great-grandfather was an orangeman, member of the orange order. they were present in Canada too and I believe still are and have connections to stuff like putting down Indigenous/Metis rebellions. Awful folk tbh, never heard a good thing about them.

Question for Tom, firstly have you heard of the “Ulster Project” here in the US and if so what are your thoughts on it? Curious to hear your perspective on it Also can we get some Wolfetones music as the intro for the next episode?

Ben

This is such a clusterfuck of motivations, ideologies and atrocities, I'm having trouble keeping track on who to cheer for, if that is even possible (I am on the scale of knowing The Troubles exist but not what really happened or what caused them)

If you want to put names, faces, and stories to the tragedies being discussed the Sutton index of deaths is a good resource. Like TIL the first British soldier killed in the Troubles was a Catholic on leave at home, shot by the RUC during the rampage discussed in this episode. https://cain.ulster.ac.uk/sutton/chron/index.html

Luke Walker

Canadian nationalists do exist and they are the strangest fucking people

can't wait to hear about the Piss Walls

kliachichka

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mrVzhXOANSk A christmas classic

On the "is it smog is it fog? Yes." smog discussion early in the episode. I always thought smog was a portmanteau of smoke+fog.

Page Chase

If anyone wants to have a bad time behind the bastards did a 3 part on the Irish genocide and holy fucking shit is it bleak.

sensual kazoo


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