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artistic feedback: what i think i know, to-date

I’m no expert on feedback, but I think I’m getting a lot better from decades of doing this artist thing. And if you’re creative in any way (whether it’s your full-time job, an active part-time activity, or simply something you dabble in), you’re going to find yourself both giving and receiving feedback.

Here’s my current manifesto on receiving feedback (The Receiver):

And for giving feedback (The Giver):

Some exceptions to the above (The Giver):

Final thoughts for both parties:

Okay, so that’s what I have so far on this document. I wanted to share it with y’all, bc many of you are also writers/artists. In the spirit of the topic here, I’d love to hear your thoughts on what YOU would include in your version of this list. (yes, i’m violating my earlier rules by opening this up to public feedback, but also this isn’t really an artistic project. it’s a bulleted list of suggested procedures.)

Also, let me know if anything above stands out to you in a good way. And what have your positive feedback experiences been like?

-jeffrey cranor

Comments

I'm hoping to start my own writing group soon, so this is welcome advice. I want it to be a productive yet encouraging space. Thank y'all!

Allison Neely

This is a beautiful resource and one that I will be having to refer back to as I finally begin to open up my work for others' eyes. Thank you so much for sharing.

Cypress Wylde

oh yeah, absolutely agree! hadnt considered it from a moral perspective yet though, i always thought it was just odd and rude. don't we all want to improve on what we do? but I guess not. Thank you for the perspective though, really appreciate it! 🩷

DragonbornCanid

Joseph here. I also believe, on a moral level, that you do not get to argue with a person giving you feedback you have requested. They have taken the time to read the thing, think about it, and give you thoughts. As Jeffrey says, this is a gift. And it would be rude when given a gift to say "oh hey, I hate this". You absolutely can disregard notes. It is totally ok to privately decide "those thoughts sucked and I will ignore them." But it is not ok to argue with them or tell them they are wrong, because that is throwing their gift back in their face, which is rude.

Welcome to Night Vale

ahh i see! i hadnt considered that yet, but now I get it. I definitely am familiar with that defensive feeling when receiving feedback- tho I do consider myself good at gracefully accepting it when offered c: that was very helpful, thank you so much!

DragonbornCanid

such a simple, helpful technique. i haven't ever specifically used "put dinos in it" but constantly asking yourself why anything is happening is so important. -jc

Welcome to Night Vale

anyway, that's how i think about it. there's no correct way to do anything, let alone feedback. but hopefully my thoughts on the matter are helpful

Welcome to Night Vale

these are excellent questions! 1. You don't have to do any of this. These are simply my approaches to feedback. 2. The reason I recommend avoiding public feedback sessions is that they can get out of hand. Sometimes they are useful, but very often these sessions (especially online feedback) will devolve into nitpicking and negative critique. I've witnessed (and experienced) a lot of hurt feelings from these public sessions. 3. When receiving feedback, we tend to feel defensive, like we're hoping for a good grade in class. But there's no objective measure of what makes art successful. If you spend time explaining to the Giver why you made certain choices, you're really just screaming into the void. If the Giver had these questions, then maybe other people will have these questions. And that is an issue to think about on your own, to determine for yourself if you need to fix something in your writing.

Welcome to Night Vale

really excellent point. i was just thinking the other day about the people i will share prose with are different than the people i will share plays with. i have playwright friends who have seen every kind of theatrical draft i've written, but i never once handed them a draft of a novel. - jc

Welcome to Night Vale

I should add: This is a working document that i tweak and change over time. It's NOT prescriptive. It's simply a starting point for helping me explain how I like to give/receive feedback. -jc

Welcome to Night Vale

I find the 'put dinosaurs in it' method of feedback helpful sometimes too. The origin of the story is lost to time but the principle is that when you are stuck, ask someone who is utterly unfamiliar with your work for advice or direction. They may offer something very unhelpful like "did you try adding a dinosaur to this scene?" And in the explaining of "no, this is a period drama and I'd like Caroline to explore her feelings about Peter..." you end up having to distill and describe the context, purpose, and motivations of the moment which can do wonders for shining a light on what is needed

DaniBiscuit

not feedback, but just a question: im a little confused on the "why" in some of the "Receivers" points. Why should I, as the receiver, limit my feedback from other artistic minded people? Why should I not ask for public feedback sessions? Why should i not explain my choices unless asked? etc. Genuinely confused! I'd love to know if anyone can answer these for me, i'd really love to understand it better 🥰 (obligatory: English is my third language, maybe im missing stuff because of that)

DragonbornCanid

I would also add something like "ascertain the giver's level of familiarity with the type of work you are writing" in the Receiver section. I was in a writing workshop once where I was trying to get feedback on a novel I was working on. The guys in the workshop tore it to pieces...and then, the third time I came up to be workshopped, one of them finally admitted he didn't read fantasy. Turned out none of them did. I wasted six weeks thinking I was writing the world's worst sword-and-sorcery novel when it turned out I was sharing it with people who didn't understand how the genre works. Obviously not all genre tropes are good, but if you're writing a musical, you're not going to get helpful feedback from people who don't understand why everyone keeps breaking into song every time something emotional happens.

Ollie of the Beholder

This has really shifted the way I think about feedback, and I'll have to think on it more, but I have a strong feeling reading this will be super helpful for me, so thank you for sharing it

Catelia


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