AD-FREE The Lindsay Clancy Arraignment- a continuing discussion about filicide
Added 2023-02-16 04:41:16 +0000 UTCWere Clancy's crimes premeditated? What does this new information mean when it comes to Clancy's alleged crimes?
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When I learned that the 8-month-old little boy's name was Callan, I almost collapsed. My name is so uncommon, and this precious soul shared it. I do not know what to make of it. My heart is broken for all the children.
Callan S Devery
2023-02-21 21:39:15 +0000 UTCThey were trying to get Lindsay admitted to an inpatient program which was denied. There is a very good chance that while her husband knew she was struggling, he didn't know the depths of it. I didn't admit to some of my thoughts until 6 or so months after I received treatment. I has previous suffered from depression and anxiety prior to PPD and in my case it was very different. I still have to watch myself for depression and deal with anxiety 13 years after giving birth. It is still very different then when I experienced PPD. I think PPD can be compounded with concurrent births that are close together. That is a question for Dr John. I keep thinking back to the Susan Smith case (I think she is the one who drowned all her kids in the tub and I think it came out she had been dealing with PPD for years?) Sorry for all the I thinks. My memory sucks after having Covid and developing long covid. The brain and its chemicals are wonderfully complicated. After your hormones are back to normal, can your brain chemicals still be messed up. I posted in the thread about my mom eventually being put in an outpatient program for something triggered by PPD. She had 5 kids but we were very space out. I was 12 and 15 when my two youngest sister were born My heart hurts for Lindsey until I know more. She was suffering and from all accounts was trying to get help. How did her doctors miss this since she was in an outpatient program. The system failed this family...however I reserve the right to change my opinion with further evidence.
MARY LENKINS
2023-02-20 16:58:37 +0000 UTCSo I have a unique experience with this as I experienced PPD and I lived with mother who had it. I am the oldest of 5 kids. My younger two sisters are 12 and 15 years younger then me. My mother had undiagnosed borderline personality disorder prior to having PPD. Her entire personality changed afterwards. That is a more complex story of BPD. She was never the same after her "mental" breakdown which happened when my youngest sister was 4ish. I was in college 19ish. It was originally blamed on PPD. I suspect that previous mental illness or even personality traits may prolong the depression after your hormones adjust. As for my experience, I was considered high risk bc of my mother and bc I had suffered a severe depression when I was 17 and still living with an abusive BPD mother. My Dr and I discussed it when I was pregnant. I was on a low dose antidepressant but I also was not treating my ADHD at the time which may my transition to motherhood difficult. I suspect hormones aren't the only factor in PPD. I suspect that without treatment, it can become more severe. Especially when there are multiple children. So you could have a mild case with child #1 then it bc more severe with child # 2. Maybe Dr John could explain this more. What I can share about my experience is I had very irrational thoughts. I went for treatment right away but it took me awhile to admit my thoughts. I think the one thought that horrified me was during the first week home. My son, now 13, wasn't getting enough from beeast feeding and wasn't sleeping. He would only sleep in my arms ...I couldn't sleep bc I was afraid I would smother him. I had him in a bassinet next to my bed. I was supposed to be sleeping but kept listening for his breathing. Then I couldn't hear his breathing and instead of looking at him right away I thought he isn't breathing, now my life can go back to normal. It took me over 6 months to finally admit I had that thought. I got treatment pretty fast after thst. And once we got that turd to sleep through the night, it got a lot better. I don't do well psychologically without it. good sleep. So I don't know the answer. Maybe Dr John can talk more about it. I do know Lindsey was actively seeking treatment. I personally think her husband knew how much she was struggling but what if she was afraid to admit some of yhe thought she was having. What was her mental history prior to having kids? Why didn't the insurance put her in the inpatient program that she was asking for. What did her doctors know about her mental state? How was this missed since she was seeking treatment.
MARY LENKINS
2023-02-20 16:43:52 +0000 UTCI feel like nobody is pointing out the… overwhelming good guy persona, the instant forgiveness from the *father of the children* is totally suss. I desperately wanted each one of the children I have (I’ve had 7 pregnancies resulting in 3 living children due to recurrent pregnancy loss with a couple of contributing etiologies) and also… (Edited to continue, submitted before intended on mobile) I had a child with my first husband who abandoned us while the child was an infant. That was rough. I had depression and anxiety. I have two children with my second husband, who I anticipated 100% would be involved and engaged as evidenced by how he cared for his child from a previous relationship. That wasn’t the case. A “stay at home mom” on leave from work is responsible for ALL THE CHILDCARE apparently. There was financial abuse. My car was repossessed after I ran out of the money I’d saved for maternity leave because WE HAD BOTH DECIDED TOGETHER that it was futile for me to work and pay half my income to daycare. Because he apparently didn’t think he was responsible for my bills. I did okay and thank goddesses that my children are happy and healthy (albeit a bit feral d/t not going anywhere until Covid vaccinations were available for kids their age) My point being - this woman’s youngest child was 8 months old. In my understanding the hormonal disturbances associated with postpartum depression or psychosis are most likely within the first 3 months postpartum. Not to imply that played no role, but why are we not looking at the husband and how he was treating her and her possible new lack of autonomy after 8 months off work and none of her own income?
Leiliyah
2023-02-18 14:52:41 +0000 UTCThis was such a great podcast to help us understand different factors that contribute to these crimes. I grew up when no one really talked about post partum depression or psychosis or you were probably considered a bad mom if you admitted to it. I hate that women have been ashamed or afraid to ask for help, and I hope that someone can put in place better/easier ways for them to get help.
Francie Carmain
2023-02-16 21:14:16 +0000 UTCYou two are not “behind” on anything! You guys are continuing to rock it!! You may have a lot of ideas coming to fruition, but this is a bit of a “family” show, your family comes first. Keep doing just what you are doing!! 🥳
Jess Trump
2023-02-16 19:11:02 +0000 UTCRe religion- I think it complicates psychosis. For example, with Lori Daybells belief system being fringe but having mostly been based on existing doctrine ( not the zombies - though there are things about them in doctrine but not that word ) Anyways - the beliefs Lori was sprouting - people thought she was a bit whacky but only Charles was super concerned. If I had even spoken about Jesus speaking to me, all of my friends and family would immediately know I was seriously ill. Because I hold no beliefs in the supernatural, there would be no real grey area. If I was psychotic I think it would be more obvious because I’m an atheist. It actually brings me some comfort knowing that if I ever experience any delusions that’s my friends and family wouldn’t pussy foot around being concerned about my feelings or my beliefs. I like to think most of them would remind me of who I am and challenge how I’ve had such a change in personality or logic.
Tad Auty
2023-02-16 11:18:25 +0000 UTC
