ANALYSIS: Audio of Alex's Ex-Wife Debbie
Added 2021-11-03 19:03:48 +0000 UTCJohn and I listen to the call between Debbie and Police, and share our initial thoughts. Debbie married Alex Cox when she was 22-years-old. They were married for less than a year.
For more breakdown on the Cox family dynamics, head to our podcast, and listen to episodes: 7 through 9. https://hiddentruecrime.podbean.com/
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When I was 17 my best friend brought me to stay at the family home of her friend/classmate. My jaw dropped when Debbie started describing the inappropriate behaviour between Cox family members because it was SO similar to what I saw that night and for the longest time I just couldn’t understand: 1, how the family could be so unaware how strange their behaviour was that they’d act that way in front of a stranger and 2, how my friend could be unbothered enough to repeatedly stay over at that house because I’d never felt so unsafe in a home before. I’d gone to Christian elementary schools and what blew my mind at the time was that I knew their family to be very religious and this girl later told me that she couldn’t fully trust my morals because I was no longer religious.
CBell
2024-03-26 01:31:18 +0000 UTCI loved the cricket noises A+ ambience
CBell
2024-03-26 00:38:57 +0000 UTCResponding two years later, but I think Annie Cushing mentioned it in at least one of her videos.
caroline paige mclean
2023-05-24 03:04:13 +0000 UTC.you can be rebaptized if you confess to church leaders, show remorse and go through the process to do so. So he might of been rebaptized and went back to his ways. Ive never known anyone rebaptized again after 2 times. It makes me sick that Chad Daybell gave him a blessing that he was special and chosen. He was very evil.
Kathleen Miller
2022-04-30 03:09:48 +0000 UTCI was wondering too how he was ex communicated twice. I was wondering if Lauren might know the reasons as stated in the “LDS Playbook”. Thank heavens Debbie got out, I felt she was credible and appreciated your analysis.
Prince Charmings Mom 2930
2021-12-09 15:07:51 +0000 UTCHow do you get ex-communicated twice from a church? In the LDS church, is that as extreme as it would be in another church or profession??
LauraK
2021-11-15 19:23:18 +0000 UTCAlex was not a pedophile. A pedophile is attracted to prepubescent children and would have no interest in a 15-year-old girl. He was however, a creep and a sick f*ck.
Erica A. Zwick
2021-11-13 19:15:25 +0000 UTCOr was he desperately looking for a way to atone because he was actually deeply ashamed and therfore more gullible to Lori's lies? Was he sexually attracted to his niece and nephew so killing them removed his temptation? Would this lead him to treat their bodies the way he did? Awful to think of I know but all of this is.
Cherie Wheeler
2021-11-12 19:59:14 +0000 UTCI was thinking the same thing!!! If it's true that he was a pedophile.... How could he possibly think God would ask him to do anything!?!?!
TriciaTheTrucker
2021-11-10 21:13:43 +0000 UTCOh gosh. You know what, Alex wouldn't have to go to Columbia just to find women. Okay that is super super scary. He could have easily found women of age here to pay for sex. Going to Columbia could possibly have serious nefarious implications. What if he really was a pedophile and it's much more than just the 15-year-old girl the one time? That's so sickening to think about but make so much sense
Crystal Swannack
2021-11-09 14:30:27 +0000 UTCWelcome to the Patreon Fam, Patricia!😊
RobynB
2021-11-08 17:43:31 +0000 UTCHi everyone, I am not a new listener, but I am a new patreon. You guys make a great team, and I love your podcast etc! I have a few questions/comments...and this is the first time I've been able to ask, so sorry it will be long. First, Chad is a doofus...that love story 🤦🏻♀️! Now that that's out of the way, I'm wondering if anyone else can corroborate Debbie's experiences with the Cox family. I think they probably can, but the real question is would they? Adam's wife, Stacey's ex-husband, or maybe even things that Charles told Kay? I'm also very very interested in finding out what summer knew. I think she was as involved as the two Melanies. Also, I always found it bizarre that Lori so easily accepted Chad calling her a goddess... And after listening to this, it made more sense. She had a lifetime of her family, especially Alex, placing her on some kind of pedestal which probably fanned the flames of her narcissism. And lastly, I wonder if Alex died because Chad was jealous of his obsession with Lori...
TriciaTheTrucker
2021-11-08 12:08:11 +0000 UTCGiven that it seems that Alex had porous sexual boundaries, is it likely that he molested Tylee? I’m also wondering why this train wreck is so fascinating to me. If it were only a book or a crappy movie/TV, I would not bother to watch. If all these players were on drugs, then it might make some sort of sense, but no. . . It boggles my mind that these people are real. Even paying attention to this is a huge waste of time, yet here I am. I cannot stop watching this tragic farce. I feel so bad for all the victims and know that my rubber necking doesn’t help them. I need a better hobby.
Roberta S Treacy
2021-11-07 21:25:47 +0000 UTCNo wonder Berry is hiding. He paved the way. Cringe.
Stephanie M
2021-11-05 19:46:31 +0000 UTCRiigght?!
Stephanie M
2021-11-05 19:42:25 +0000 UTCI wonder if Alex and Lori did this in front of her more “current” husbands
Stephanie M
2021-11-05 19:35:51 +0000 UTCAhhhh! I remember that too but I don’t know who said it
Stephanie M
2021-11-05 19:34:57 +0000 UTCMy fiancé comes from a narc family. No contact for 4 years now. I have watched something very similar to this happen before my eyes. Not as bad but similar. I wouldn’t be surprised if Alex told Lori about his wife’s feelings and Lori flirting with her brother even more after finding out that information. EVERY female she comes across is competition. It’s no unessexary
Stephanie M
2021-11-05 19:26:13 +0000 UTCIt's crazy to me that the Cox family try to portray a religious LDS family yet shrug off that Alex goes to colombia to sleep with sex workers. This family is all do what I say not as I do. For example Barry going to Steve's work and assaults him along with reading scripture. Barry also allegedly slept with sex workers. He acts so righteous yet breaks the law. Lori cheated on Charles and ruined Joe Ryan's life yet acted so righteous as well. It's like they are so judgemental but do outrageous things that are against the religion they swear by. And then there's Chad-- I'm really leaning into him having a Machiavellian disorder. He also is portraying one way and giving his final judgement on people yet does the most despicable things.
Meg
2021-11-05 05:19:50 +0000 UTCAm I the only one who laughed at the statement “I was shocked by the tasing?” I’M SORRY. 🤣😖
Chelsea Watts
2021-11-05 00:44:41 +0000 UTCThis family was totally messed up. I was wondering all along if Alex and Lori had an incestous relationship.....
Johanna Van Winkle
2021-11-05 00:32:44 +0000 UTCDoes anyone remember who stated that Lori would be the only one at family barbecues traipsing around in a bikini?
Dal Pace
2021-11-04 17:34:15 +0000 UTCExcellent analysis! I’d love to hear feedback from Adam Cox (or Zac) on Alex and Lori’s relationship.
Shannon Moak
2021-11-04 14:58:53 +0000 UTCHe would go after a younger sister, not an older sister. The older sibling has more power. And maybe he went after the youngest sister when she developed.
Nora Ann
2021-11-04 14:25:51 +0000 UTCWhile they were married he was excommunicated. What did he do? Did he commit adultery? She said earlier that they weren’t attending church during their marriage, so why would the church do that? Did someone in the church, like the 15 year old father come forward, who maybe was a member of the church tell the bishop? And if so, the bishop would have had to call in the police about it as the Bishop is a mandated reporter even back in the 90’s.
Nora Ann
2021-11-04 14:17:28 +0000 UTCLori had no qualms of leaving her daughter with Alex. Tylee telling the woman who interview her about why she had a bat by her bed started when she lived with Alex. Chilling. I wonder if Tylee had problems at school and if her school records were looked into. Did she ever talk to a counselor there? How much school did she miss? How did Lori act in school conferences, etc.. Another thing I wonder about is Alex’s passport. What countries did he visit?
Nora Ann
2021-11-04 14:11:02 +0000 UTCLauren, you’re right about the preliminary hearing and Prior’s insinuations regarding Alex and Lori. There was nothing subtle about it. It will be interesting to hear what Chad witnessed between them; although, I hope it won’t serve to bolster an effective defense for him.
Katie Marlowe
2021-11-04 13:31:16 +0000 UTCDr John…I have also had that vibe about Alex…being like Alex, what a perfect job. I have wondered if there isn’t more victims after learning about the 15 yr old. I find it hard to believe he got “caught” the first time… there are more….no doubt.
Darcy Johnson
2021-11-04 06:31:39 +0000 UTCI love this…. Lol
Darcy Johnson
2021-11-04 06:12:07 +0000 UTCI think you are spot on, Lauren…regarding Prior insinuating an inappropriate behavior between Lori and Alex, when questioning (MG?)…. I got the same vibe.
Darcy Johnson
2021-11-04 06:10:47 +0000 UTCLord have mercy, this family gets creepier by the day.
Inner Peas
2021-11-04 04:46:40 +0000 UTCExplains Tylee feeling the need to have a baseball bat for protection and why in gods name would you desert your autistic son and leave your teenage daughter with pervert Alex while you traipse around Hawaii?
RobynB
2021-11-04 00:45:04 +0000 UTCAgain, thank you Lauren & Dr John for your analysis of this interview with Alex’s ex. Btw, love the crickets
Marcella Able
2021-11-03 23:56:51 +0000 UTCI think if you exhumed alex and did an I.Q. test it would be the same as if he was alive…. Just sayin’.
Misty Welker
2021-11-03 23:56:37 +0000 UTCLove crickets and this analysis. 😊
RobynB
2021-11-03 23:03:26 +0000 UTCWhen she asked Alex if the touching would be allowed with there kids, I took it as between the kids. Not him touching them. Neither are good .
Kristina Westbrook
2021-11-03 22:55:53 +0000 UTCGotta wonder if Alex & Chad both finding Lori hot caused Alex to be jealous of Lori.
B Sprak
2021-11-03 22:00:16 +0000 UTCMe too (and Alex with Colby as well). The family court ordered cameras installed in Lori & Charles' house -including children's bedrooms, IIRC- to investigate alleged inappropriate sexual behavior from various children in the blended family. I have NEVER heard of a Court ordering such a thing.
Vixen 9808
2021-11-03 21:32:50 +0000 UTCI wonder if Adam introduced Nicole to his family and she married him anyway? Because if I had grown up in Casa Cox, I would have moved as far away as possible with my new husband and never introduced him to Barry & Janis. Debbie is so lucky she got the hell out and never had to co-parent with Alex.
Vixen 9808
2021-11-03 21:27:55 +0000 UTCAre psychopaths completely unemotional? I've always considered my ex a psychopath, though I'm no expert. Nothing is ever his fault. He's the pinnacle of wisdom and acceptable human behavior. He's sadistic. Killed a pet. Was excessively controlling. After the first few years, there was no pleasing him. He'd continually raise or change the bar. Daily used techniques barred by the Geneva Convention for treatment of POW's. Brought stalking to a fine art after I left. I guess my point is, he took joy from control and pain, and he definitely felt rage. Rage was there whenever he couldn't control someone. I always felt lucky to get out alive. Listening to what happened with Chad and Lori, to what they managed to convince others of, is just horrid. Triggering. But more just horrifying.
B Sprak
2021-11-03 21:25:59 +0000 UTCBahahahaha! Right!? Not even in her wildest dreams could she make up stuff this twisted !
Maraley Santos
2021-11-03 21:08:36 +0000 UTCThis whole mess sounds like VC Andrews on meth.
Joanna Mulvaney
2021-11-03 20:55:29 +0000 UTCAgree or at the least uncomfortabley “playful” or “affectionate” and the threat of SA.
Joanna Mulvaney
2021-11-03 20:54:12 +0000 UTCBtw… glad to hear your voice Dr John. I hope all is well 💕
CuriousinColorado
2021-11-03 20:29:30 +0000 UTCGreat analysis -again! I am kind of tired of writing “spot on” (not really) regarding your initial analysis. Have we gotten any information from the older brother and sister about abuse/ sexual abuse in the family or is this mainly an Alex/Lori thing? Didn’t the other kids observe this same behavior that Debbie saw?
CuriousinColorado
2021-11-03 20:28:15 +0000 UTCI was raised in a family and extended family much like the Cox family. There was significant abuse & neglect. No one in the family sees abuse or neglect as abusive. They see it as love and the best way to live. Also, there's a lot of fear within the family dynamic to not become the scapegoat, so lots of members will play enablers to the abuse. When all the adults have sociopathic, narcissistic, and histrionic behaviors with psychotic episodes (and perhaps schizo disorders) most of the kids will end up exactly like the parents. A few scapegoats might have a true self and speak up and then become the target of the whole family. There are very few options for most people in this family dynamic, in my anecdotal experiences.
Lauri Bolland
2021-11-03 20:21:45 +0000 UTCA real life Flowers in the Attic: Cox family edition! I have a feeling their exalted status (do not have to follow mortal laws or feelings, ie could not be held liable for their actions by mortals) allowed them to feel no guilt about their relationship. He wasn’t her brother, he was her protector!
Maraley Santos
2021-11-03 20:06:29 +0000 UTCI have wondered about Tylee and SA from Alex.
Tamara Wakeman Sukohl
2021-11-03 19:56:18 +0000 UTCIt’s so telling about the Cox family dynamics that Lori didn’t introduce her husbands to her family before marrying and neither did Alex.
Pamela Mosdell
2021-11-03 19:41:32 +0000 UTCThat streak of meanness in Alex presents in his callousness about killing the dogs in the desert.
Pamela Mosdell
2021-11-03 19:37:34 +0000 UTCI wonder if Alex displayed qualities that gave people hope that he could be better. He seemed to have a lost puppy quality. I know that can encourage people to try to fix that individual.
Pamela Mosdell
2021-11-03 19:27:55 +0000 UTCReal crickets can destroy clothing I have been told.
Tamara Wakeman Sukohl
2021-11-03 19:10:14 +0000 UTCha! How wise. The crickets have become a family favorite here.
Lauren and John Matthias
2021-11-03 19:09:20 +0000 UTCMy grandma kept a real live cricket in a drawer in her house because she loved the sound of crickets. She would have loved a cricket white noise machine!
Tamara Wakeman Sukohl
2021-11-03 19:06:15 +0000 UTC
