BONUS: TIR, Extra w/ Pascal Robert and Jason Myles
Added 2021-12-03 19:03:05 +0000 UTCJamie and Sean continue with Jason Myles (@lafinabsolute) and Pascal Robert (@probert06) of the podcast and YouTube show This is Revolution (@TIRShowOakland) to critique the American left, talk shit and analyze the intersection of music and politics.
Bonus song: Noothgrush - Sysyphus Narrow Way
Comments
"confusing an audience for a movement". wow.
Tia Benedict
2021-12-28 18:17:11 +0000 UTCwas equal parts impressed and shocked at how Jamie mommied the laughter out of everyone around 13:00, I'm just gonna assume there was also a stare
Jason John
2021-12-08 17:38:24 +0000 UTCYeah, I've done 14 years in kitchens and some of my most satisfying shifts have been in dish-pit. Away from the chaos of the line, got your tunes and your own space, the dishes pile up and you knock that pile down. It's also the case that even for jobs that are irreducibly tedious or strenuous/dangerous, a democratized workplace would spread that burden out and let everyone do more of the creative/organizational work, as opposed to just one task all the time.
Ian H
2021-12-04 05:23:55 +0000 UTC25:40 Exactly right. Its terrifying to admit, but we are truly at square 1. There is no movement, no left, no organization. Specifically capitalism has left us completely materially alienated and atomized. Sky Net became self aware and the machines already won. That's the world we live in. I think that means the question is not electoralism or revolution, but rather how to create a shared material space that human beings can communally inhabit in a world where capitalism has left us alienated from one another materially. How do we build communal material forms counter to the current of capital? How can we ever struggle together unless we bridge our atomization first? We are all already living in individual cells inside the iron prison, this is a jailbreak not a revolution. Thinking dialectically, I dont know how any political movement could ever exist unless the material substrate of shared space, struggle, and material already exists. The biggest driver of Marxism in Europe wasn't avant garde political actors; it was warren housing, shared work spaces, and shared material conditions, all of which modern capital has been smart enough over the decades to systemically destroy. I really think the key to the left being reinvigorated is the creation of material social structures that can run parallel to and eventually replace capital. Community stores, banks, clinics, etc, outside the reach of capital or bourgeoise government. Let a people share a space and it will be easier to get them to share a struggle. Material commonality comes first, then politics and struggle, not the other way around. We dont need a political candidate, we need a community owned health center. We have to build out of the privatized rubble we've been born into. The private structures that already exist will never be surrendered without a war we cant win and shouldn't want to fight. In short, order of operations, material conditions create political struggles, not the other way around.
Bilbo
2021-12-03 22:06:55 +0000 UTCI would say working class whites see DSA as a welfare party, BRiahna Joy Gray recently said that she thinks no one could like being a janitor…….. working people want to be validated as who they are and that what they do IS as important as it actually is. I don’t want to sound to workerist, but a bit is needed
Adam
2021-12-03 20:32:00 +0000 UTC18:00 I'm pretty much this to a T: upper middle class white kid at some prestigious college. I've noticed this when going to socialist orgs at my uni where like, we try to have a discussion that's pretty theory heavy or something, but no one is able to put forth any tangible examples of what they're saying, so the occasional curious liberal who stops by is unable to relate or understand whatever the fuck they're saying since its so full of jargon. I'm curious as to what I can do to genuinely help out, since most of these college orgs I go to feel pretty intellectually self masturbatory.
Lauren Cabral
2021-12-03 19:26:02 +0000 UTC
