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PATREON EXCLUSIVE (Full Video): Women should not use their emotions to avoid accountability

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PATREON EXCLUSIVE (Full Video): Women should not use their emotions to avoid accountability

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@RhodiumMaiden - Or "weak" (well intentioned) "Patriarchies". Some Feminists would also argue that "allowing" such destruction insultingly removes "female agency". Oh what a tangled web hath the "West" woven.

Joseph Omega

And yet, who ALLOWS women to destroy societies? Weak men.

RhodiumMaiden

I think the greater manosphere wants to see greater cultural accountability by seeing less promiscuous women promoted in popular culture. Though you are correct, they rarely deal with the interpersonal dynamic between individual men and women but mainly the overarching culture.

Chase ✝️

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xJFc7vhN66I&list=WL&index=3

Eric Linden

If we don't look in the mirror and ask these questions, then we have to find way to cope with the reality. It usually ends up being something maladaptive. For example, I saw stats showing that 70% of white people of a particular sex experience drinking problems (aka alcoholism) at some point in their life.

Mark Bryski

IMO relationships in the past were functional because people suppressed many feelings and needs to maintain harmony. False Harmony. The traditions and institutions that compelled people to conform to these conventions have been cast aside. Now, with the constraints gone, we have to learn how to function with this "freedom" in place of the past "go for" instructions. It begins with people looking in the mirror and asking "why was I attracted to that person?" or "how did I get hooked into trying to meet that challenge?".

Mark Bryski

As you said healthy relationships are not the norm, do you think that the unhealthy things listed are the norm now?

Alisha

What do I mean by unhealthy? Wow! Let's start with the obvious: Infidelity; Sexless Marriage; Violent; Freeloading; Tumultuous; One person placing themselves above the other; Chronic arguments; Withholding; Silent Treatments; Alcohol Abuse; Drug Abuse; Child Abuse; Child Neglect; etc etc.

Mark Bryski

There is someone like this who I personally know. I deliberately stay away from family events to shelter my daughters from him. As Alexander puts it, ruthlessly cut the cord.

Mark Bryski

I agree with you on that but I don’t think it’s as black an white as “snooping through your man ls phone and misinterpreting is a text as cheating and then deciding to get a bat and smash up his car window to teach him a lesson” level of unhealthy. What do you mean by unhealthy? Because I would say that includes mild to moderate insecurities being taken out on the other person as well as mild to moderate communication issues and not taking the other persons needs as seriously as you should.

Alisha

Couples in healthy relationships don't make the news. Healthy relationships are not the norm. Not even close to being the norm. For most people, including myself, a lot of work is involved for the opportunity to have a healthy relationship. "False Harmony" is one of the worst enablers for deplorable behaviours within an unhealthy relationship. So, from where I stand, Alexander's perspective is gratefully received.

Mark Bryski

Pew Research also says in the US “the Census Bureau estimates that as of 2021, 711,129 of the nation’s 61.3 million married-couple households, or 1.2%, involved same-sex married couples.” https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2023/06/13/in-places-where-same-sex-marriages-are-legal-how-many-married-same-sex-couples-are-there/

Eric Linden

I think the manosphere is obsessed with women being held accountable and this has been going on for years. It seems to be a bit of a weird one because what would that accountability even look like? Because most of the time issues of accountability would be between individuals so why would you be seeing what goes on between couples, family members or friends (one male and one female)? The only stuff you would see is crazy people online doing crazy stuff, we don’t click on videos of people acting reasonable and mature…

Alisha

Still, we SHOULD have statistics from well over a decade of legalized same-sex marriage in Scandanavian countries. I was a bit surprised that the data remains so garbled--perhaps there may be some strong gender politics involved in data supression or research restriction/publication? Despite all that, it seems rather clear suggesting that there is a strong INVERSE correlation between the presence of women in a relationship and it's longevity, regardless of sexual orientation. This seems rather consistent with Alexander's overall continuing message.

Joseph Omega

Joseph’s 2016 Psychology Today article implies that heterosexuals still have more divorce. But the Chat GPT tells a different story from more recent studies. Until now, we haven’t been able to have long term statistics, as gay & lesbian marriage hasn’t always been legal everywhere. And the stats are mixed up as we have been comparing divorce rates from 70 years of heterosexual marriage and only a few years of homosexual marriage. Apples to oranges.

Eric Linden

In this ever more gynocentric society that is the West, I am correspondingly ever more cynical about women being held accountable for the ramifications of their actions, which are justified above all by their feelings. Yet the power of accurate observation is commonly called cynicism by those who have not got it. The observation being the destructive potential of undisciplined passions. Some time ago, I heard Dennis Prager said "Men kill people, women kill societies." I thought it hyperbolic at the time but upon reflection, there is profound truth to it.

Hyperion

The statistics appear to be all over the place and difficult to interpret, but Psychology Today published an article ("reviewed" on June 2016) about a Danish survey that concluded: "The higher rate for lesbians is consistent with data showing that women initiate most of the heterosexual divorces in Denmark. (In the United States, women request about two-thirds of divorces.) 'Women simply expect different things from marriage than men do,' says Nissen. 'And if they don't get them, they prefer to live alone.'" It seems the "Patriarchy" cannot easily be blamed for this phenomenon. https://www.psychologytoday.com/intl/articles/199705/lessons-gay-marriage And following is an interesting conversation I had with ChatGPT (citing links to online resources)--the very last table it generated was particularly intruguing: https://chat.openai.com/share/d93f9916-d6a9-46e2-898a-68f715893285

Joseph Omega

If you find those statistics, could you email them to me? I'd be very interested in that!

Alexander Grace

Women have difficulty controlling emotions and taking responsibility and accountability. This is reflected in new long term divorce statistics. Gay couples 20%. Straight couples 45%. Lesbian couples 70%. I heard these numbers on a podcast, and they didn’t name a source, so I can’t vouch for their accuracy. However, I have heard similar things recently.

Eric Linden

That whole "emotions over logic" part is the reason that certain parts of our culture are going literally insane. And also the reason why so many women support this stuff. I don´t want to be too political and to be very clear: The political right has plenty of issues. And also it is not entirely a men vs. women thing. But the "woke" left is exactly this: A group of highly narcisistic people with relativistic morality and a subjectivistic worldview. Whatever they believe is true and whatever they like is morally right and naturally they should get whatever they want. As a man who values truth and moral standards, it can drive you nuts.

Hermann

I made sure from an early age that my girls were accountable to me for their words and their actions. It is a constant battle because, as you say, the rest of the world doesn’t. The best we can do is start at home by being good parents, and teaching all of our children good values.

Eric Linden

Yup, Neoteny in both appearence AND behavior. Another sexual selection adaptation no doubt. See Karen Straughn on Neoteny: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C46rSIfTum4

Joseph Omega

That's the impression I had, but I suspect I only think so because of the cleanliness of the presentation, not the content nor reactions--we've all probably experienced some form of this before.

Joseph Omega

I have more to say on Alexander's video because I believe the points he makes are absolutely important. Let's add another ingredient to the situation of someone unwilling to be accountable for their actions. Children. Enough said?

Mark Bryski

The bat/car video seems staged to me. But I guess the point stands

Yokai

It's never too late for an individual to work on oneself and better themselves. It's a completely different challenge to cure an entire gender of a systemic problem due to generations of manipulation and conditioning. Not saying it can't be done, just saying that it's gonna take lots of time and there's going to need to be an approach both genders agree on moving forward to accomplish it. Hopefully everyone has someone they trust to confide in, to begin taking that first step as you said. 🙏

MarkGauci85

"...makes them unreliable and undependable". A person's level of commitment to self-care can not be ignored or overlooked.

Mark Bryski

In my opinion, it is never too late to work on oneself. The challenge is taking the first step. Coming out of denial. This usually happens when the person reaches rock bottom. When they have no choice. The tough part for others is watching someone you love approach rock bottom. Our instinct is to rescue them from themselves which only makes the problem worse.

Mark Bryski

Man, that was an intense one. Me personally, I feel that whatever possible solution to help solve this, may be too little too late or might take too long for anyone right now to benefit from it. Multiple generations have this mentality and lack of accountability and I feel we would have to spend the next multiple generations to course correct enough to reach some equitable compromise. But, both sides have to want it for it to work. Alright, let's pick up our tools and get to work!

MarkGauci85


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